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Can anyone help me recognize these drums in Jarre's 2005 concert?


Post Posted Fri Apr 01, 2022 11:30 pm
Blatman


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Yes I was talking about Stylus RMX. I Will check in the library of the sound is present. As it is a huge library maybe I have missed it. I will double check.
Post Posted Sat Apr 02, 2022 12:41 am
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Thanks a lot mate! Let me know if you find anything interesting! :)
Post Posted Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:11 pm
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Eyy status update:

Been a while, unfortunately I haven't found any new leads. I went around and asked more pro old school musicians but they didn't recognize any of the drums. Searched the whole net around Jarre and drums, Samard, and asked several sound library companies if they recognized it, nothing. I kind of let go of the whole thing, pretty much being a drop of water in the ocean kind of deal. Unless I randomly stumble upon I think it's a dead end here.

My final thoughts would be maybe one of the Battery (1 or 2) from Native Instruments? It looks like they had a similar system of presets building, I know Samard used Native instrument softwares, so who knows! It's long been discontinued and I haven't found any remaining pieces of this plug-in on the net.

Btw I decided to gift myself this Stylus RMX :) (in general am into old electronic sounds like that). Remembering your post Blatman I took a chill day to search if I could find any of the sounds in there but I haven't. Jarre used some Spectrasoncis gears but probably not Stylus.
Post Posted Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:28 pm
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Jarre was using a lot the XL7 and the MP7 during this period (2004-2005) maybe you can find the drums on these synths ?

Stylus RMX has been used for Oxygene 17 but it is about 10 years after.
Post Posted Mon Jul 04, 2022 12:32 pm
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How unlikely! https://www.vanacoremusiclibraries.com/track/1653903

I finally managed to find the Inkmaster's video soundtrack! Check out the "Bravado (PercBs)" version, it contains clearest version of the drum loop. I'm sure it's still multiple of them layered. I will try to look up the composer's names later
Post Posted Fri Apr 25, 2025 8:51 pm
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After 3 years of active searching (but probably more as well but not that actively), I can finally found the samples! I couldn't believe my ears, eyes, but alas, I have my hands on them! :shock: :o :D

Well, not all of the loops unfortunately, but a good 60%, all from the same pack's sub-folder!

East West - Stormdrum 1 - Red Leppelin, using 5 samples:
  • The flanger/phased drum - Definitely my favourite one, there is also the raw "unphased" recording in there as well!
  • Solo 1 drum
  • Pitched down drum - At some point a "dark" drum loop appears before the 2nd solo, I've managed to pinpoint the loop from the crash + low toms pattern, and using the crash's tone I've managed to pitch it down to match the original one (-5 semitones).
  • Outro heavy drum - There's the raw and the one with the automated High Cut EQ, they've used the automated one
  • Outro cymbal crash - From the hits category, distorted version
Still left undiscovered:
  • Intro dark/muffled drum - Probably the clock drum with a filter and no kick drum?
  • Clock drum - Sounds like a clock, couldn't find it yet. Doubt it was a self-programmed pattern...
  • Chopped drum - After the 1st solo there's a new drum added, where every 1/2 beats is muted. A clean version of the loop can be heard just before the outro.
Here's a short snipped of the reconstructed drums :mrgreen:

Post Posted Sun Apr 27, 2025 10:59 pm
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Wouah ! That is a great news !!! Thank you for sharing all the details.

I think that Jarre used the orchestral card on Roland XP series for this track. Do not hesitate if you need some sounds (I got the orchestral card of course).
Post Posted Sun May 04, 2025 3:32 pm
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New finding! The slide sound at the beginning is from EastWest > Stormdrum 1 > Multisamples > Metal Shop 2

slide crash edit.mp3
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Slide is F3, the Crash is (hypothetically) made out of D3 + C#1 but of course doesn't contain that low boom effect.

Also while I haven't gone trough every sound individually, I'm pretty sure each hammer sound is also from this metal kit :mrgreen:
Post Posted Mon May 12, 2025 7:49 am
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Another great discovering ! What you are calling clock drum is the very first sound of the song ? If yes it is a D50 sound.
Post Posted Mon May 12, 2025 10:59 am
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Nope, it is this one:
drumloop.mp3
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Tried to isolate/recreate some of the elements:
PerfectDrumRim.mp3
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PerfectDrumSnare.mp3
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PerfectDrumRimClock.mp3
(116.17 KiB) Downloaded 207 times

The rim sound is also in Intro Saturée:
IntroDrum.mp3
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But yes I suppose the naming was quite confusing because the D50 is a clock as well :)

Though I wonder how much of that D-50 sound bleeds through in "PerfectDrumRimClock.mp3". The rim is added, rim clock is probably a mix of an extra layer of percussion and the D-50 clock.
Post Posted Mon May 12, 2025 7:49 pm
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Ok !!!! Got you ! It seems there are 2 loops together and you already found the first one. My guess is that there is another loop with the big snare on top.
Post Posted Thu May 15, 2025 9:21 am
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On your track what is the name/source of the "perc loop" occuring during the Nirvana drone ? You have something named ENERGIZER but it seems different from the ENERGIZER I found on DR1. Can you help me on this perc loop ?
Post Posted Thu May 15, 2025 12:02 pm
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Blatman wrote: Thu May 15, 2025 9:21 am On your track what is the name/source of the "perc loop" occuring during the Nirvana drone ? You have something named ENERGIZER but it seems different from the ENERGIZER I found on DR1. Can you help me on this perc loop ?
That was a sort of bruteforce thing, thiking every sample would be on DR1. It sounded like it was modulated on the L/R panning, plus the rythm checked out a bit. I just added some volume automation (with Shaperbox), some echo and EQ-ing:

Ener.mp3
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EnerShaped.mp3
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EnerEcho.mp3
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Final version:
EnerEqed.mp3
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And here's the ShaperBox programmed pattern:
Shaperbox.png

This is definitely not it though, if I had to guess it's something probably "PerfectDrumRimClock.mp3" form my prev post, but just modulated, with some extra panning (unless the panning was always there in the original one), and a cutoff filter. I'm even pretty sure the echo is just the original echo from that sample.

If you listen closely you hear some artifacts bleeding though the volume automation from the original one. It sounds like they've manually chopped the sound up.

But maybe I'm wrong, I'm yet to figure out where that loop is from! Maybe it's as silly as the Outro heavy drum, it's literally an automated sample with the cutoff filters already applied to go :P

Hope it helps!
Post Posted Thu May 15, 2025 4:52 pm
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ok !!!! That looks great I will test that.

Do you need the D-50 Machine Run loop ? I have the Roland Cloud D-50 so do not hesitate if you need wav or other sound from the synth.
Post Posted Thu May 15, 2025 9:09 pm
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I think that the string sounds is from the Roland JV series, on my XV-3080 the preset Marcato C038 seems very close to the one of the track.







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