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New Eminent 310u user


Post Posted Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:39 am
radek tymecki


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Wow!

Is there any chance You'll share howto make this modification?
Post Posted Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:21 pm
webdreamer57


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Hello Olivier,

Nice mod on your Eminent !!! :fine: Mine has been totally cleaned up by an enthusiast that sell a lot of Eminents 300, 310 and 510 in Holland (Theatre, Standard and White versions)
I'm lucky because it works 100%.
Why don't you like the stereo output in front ?
As i read it is also possible to midify it. Today i was playing on it and just thinking that
the bass pedal through the phaser wasn't cool :shock:

I'm thinking about connecting two small stones in stereo like this :


olivier_0001 wrote:don't forget me :D ,



Eminent is very good machine but need to clean up, a lot of time giving to entire open and clean note by note, restore all metalic contact,...

I have a little mod with the output because I don't like the stereo output in front on the eminent. I add some resistor and two output at line level. A switch HP (4 pole, one by speaker) can switch off the internal speaker or not.
A separate output for Bass pedal is possible in case when you use small stone for strings and no effect for bass pedal.

I try to separate upper keyboard sound and lower keyboard sound but it's not possible because both are internal mixed to come in the Strings ensemble section and then to the amplifier.

see pictures :


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Post Posted Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:39 pm
olivier_0001


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Location: LIEGE, BELGIUM
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radek tymecki wrote:Wow!

Is there any chance You'll share howto make this modification?
no problem for you :wink:
just have time to re open it and take picture because I don't remember the exact crazy wire.. :D
Post Posted Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:49 pm
olivier_0001


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Location: LIEGE, BELGIUM
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webdreamer57 wrote:Hello Olivier,

Nice mod on your Eminent !!! :fine: Mine has been totally cleaned up by an enthusiast that sell a lot of Eminents 300, 310 and 510 in Holland (Theatre, Standard and White versions)
I'm lucky because it works 100%.
Why don't you like the stereo output in front ?
As i read it is also possible to midify it. Today i was playing on it and just thinking that
the bass pedal through the phaser wasn't cool :shock:

I'm thinking about connecting two small stones in stereo like this :
Mine come from Holland too. I have a second 310u but he don't work 100% I have a problem with the sound like a continuous saturation...

I don't like the front panel stereo because on mine eminent it's a very bad contact and if I good remember the output signal is very high.

Midifing a Eminent is a lot of work because you have 5 contacts/note on upper keyboard and 4 contacts/note on the lower keyboard. I have midifing a eminent solina string, on this it's only one contact/note = OK.

the bass pedal signal is very easy to found. I have wired the ouput jack like this :
- when the jack is empty : signal routed normally
- when the jack is used : signal is only present on the output jack.

I must reopen it and take some pictures to place in this forum..
Post Posted Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:59 pm
webdreamer57


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olivier_0001 wrote: Mine come from Holland too. I have a second 310u but he don't work 100% I have a problem with the sound like a continuous saturation...
Do you have a continuous saturation with orbitone on ? With all the sounds ? On all the
keys ?
You should check the volume pedal light : if the pedal light is burn, the volume will
be at the max and you will have a saturation.

Let me know and i will try to help you if i can
Post Posted Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:18 pm
olivier_0001


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Location: LIEGE, BELGIUM
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webdreamer57 wrote:
olivier_0001 wrote: Mine come from Holland too. I have a second 310u but he don't work 100% I have a problem with the sound like a continuous saturation...
Do you have a continuous saturation with orbitone on ? With all the sounds ? On all the
keys ?
You should check the volume pedal light : if the pedal light is burn, the volume will
be at the max and you will have a saturation.

Let me know and i will try to help you if i can
If a good remember pedal volume is operational and the saturation come with tuba sound
I think string don"t give saturation, but I'm not 100% sure, I must try again to make a check up... and record some sample
thanks for your help !
Post Posted Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:34 pm
radek tymecki


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and make mods photos :D
Post Posted Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:30 pm
olivier_0001


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radek tymecki wrote:and make mods photos :D
yeaaa :D
Post Posted Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:52 pm
webdreamer57


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olivier_0001 wrote: If a good remember pedal volume is operational and the saturation come with tuba sound
I think string don"t give saturation, but I'm not 100% sure, I must try again to make a check up... and record some sample
thanks for your help !
I looked at the schedual and if you have the problem just with tuba sound which give
saturation the problem may be in the glock formant circuit on the sustain voicing board (reverberation, organ and preamplifiers)

The filter is made of one transistor BC 170B (TR34), you may check it with a multimeter (diode test)

Check also the two capacitors (input 1uF and output 0.47uF) with resistor mode on your multimeter : if 0 ohm there's a short circuit, if a lot of Méga ohm, the capacitor is open.
In this cases change the capacitor. A working capacitor must have his resistance varying on the multimeter screen.

Check also the resistors

At the output there is the orbitone preamplifier but if you have no saturation with orbitone on on the other sound then the problem must be on the formant
Post Posted Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:04 pm
olivier_0001


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Location: LIEGE, BELGIUM
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webdreamer57 wrote:
olivier_0001 wrote: If a good remember pedal volume is operational and the saturation come with tuba sound
I think string don"t give saturation, but I'm not 100% sure, I must try again to make a check up... and record some sample
thanks for your help !
I looked at the schedual and if you have the problem just with tuba sound which give
saturation the problem may be in the glock formant circuit on the sustain voicing board (reverberation, organ and preamplifiers)

The filter is made of one transistor BC 170B (TR34), you may check it with a multimeter (diode test)

Check also the two capacitors (input 1uF and output 0.47uF) with resistor mode on your multimeter : if 0 ohm there's a short circuit, if a lot of Méga ohm, the capacitor is open.
In this cases change the capacitor. A working capacitor must have his resistance varying on the multimeter screen.

Check also the resistors

At the output there is the orbitone preamplifier but if you have no saturation with orbitone on on the other sound then the problem must be on the formant
thanks a lot for your help, in fact this second eminent is in my garage and it's not possible now to give time to try to repair it. May be later I can ckeck you advice..
where do you come from france ?
Olivier
Post Posted Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:10 pm
olivier_0001


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radek tymecki wrote:and make mods photos :D
hé hé :nod:

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Post Posted Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:58 pm
webdreamer57


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olivier_0001 wrote: thanks a lot for your help, in fact this second eminent is in my garage and it's not possible now to give time to try to repair it. May be later I can ckeck you advice..
where do you come from france ?
Olivier
i come from north east of france at Metz 50 km of belgium and you ?
thank you very much for all your pictures of your eminent.

:fine:
Post Posted Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:26 pm
radek tymecki


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damn. this mod looks complicated :D

i think You can make step by step tutorial olivier!

but this looks interesting :)
Post Posted Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:30 pm
olivier_0001


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Location: LIEGE, BELGIUM
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webdreamer57 wrote:
olivier_0001 wrote: thanks a lot for your help, in fact this second eminent is in my garage and it's not possible now to give time to try to repair it. May be later I can ckeck you advice..
where do you come from france ?
Olivier
i come from north east of france at Metz 50 km of belgium and you ?
thank you very much for all your pictures of your eminent.

:fine:
all pictures from eminent are always a real pleasure :D
ho ho, not so far from me, I'm from liege
do you come at the strasbourg concert next year ?
Post Posted Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:36 pm
olivier_0001


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radek tymecki wrote:damn. this mod looks complicated :D

i think You can make step by step tutorial olivier!

but this looks interesting :)
It's not very complicated :lol:
4 speacker with switch take a little time, open the eminent, cabling, ...

picture 1 : sound from the op-amp to jack output
picture 2 : fuse remplacement original is broken..
picture 3 : overview
picture 4 : 220 V filter
picture 5 : 220 V filter zoom
picture 6 : 4 poles switch to interrupt or not the four speackers
picture 7 : switch + jack ouptut internal view
picture 8 : switch + jack output rear view







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