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What was your first synthesizer?


Post Posted Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:38 pm
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Then why are they called after the originals? :punch:
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Post Posted Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:02 pm
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AnDrOiD wrote:I beg to differ... they are the synths of the future! :nod:
New ways of synthesis may belong to the future. But I don't think that software emulations of old synths can be called innovation or progress. It's just another way to do subtractive synthesis.

The problem as I see it is that most software emulations don't sound like the synths they're modelled after. Arturia did a good job with their Moogs and Korg with the MS20 Legacy. But these are the only emulations that I think earn their names. They do have the character even though the original hardware still beats them in terms of dynamics, punch and smoothness.
The rest of the software emulations out there are named after famous synths to sell, sell, sell and to be downloaded. Soundwise they lack both power and the character of the originals.
Not to say that they don't sound good! Because they do and most of them has an analog feel to them. Compared to most VA-hardware, software are miles ahead.
Post Posted Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:25 pm
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Mogwai wrote:
AnDrOiD wrote:The rest of the software emulations out there are named after famous synths to sell, sell, sell and to be downloaded. Soundwise they lack both power and the character of the originals.
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But without such Software,the general Public would not have access to the actual sound and interface,unless you had a bottomless pit of money to buy the hardware.And in most cases most people would have never experienced the Real thing.

A big name and famous product will always sell well,regardless of how many disguises and different forms it has been bred into over several decades,you could say that about every other Hardware synth thats ever carried a sound of an Arp or emulated a minimoog,and why people actually bought it for that emulation irrespestive of it having new forms of synthesis on board,its a Cornerstone to which all standards are judged by and people can relate to that,Just look at how many Romplers contain Emulations of such instruments.

The Arturia VSTs are nothing new,but its giving that actual Cornerstone sound in a digital world to many people who have never experienced the real thing,giving them a fresh approach to a real synthesizer.
I'm a Hardware fan but I recognise the importance and evolution of software,for years in the Hardware digital world we have simply been embracing that software,in an unconscious way but its been hidden inside the Hardware that we didn't connect it as a virtual synthesizer.VSTs are simply the Software synth without the whole Hardware casing.

It maybe nothing new in terms of synthesis methods,but what is?????Infact synthesis hasn't changed at all since the days of the first methods,nothing that can be considered innovative and fresh today,pretty much every type of synthesis has been exploited time and again and just simply rebadged as New products,to many users into Virtual synthesizers it is something new.Its giving the Idea of a new way of working in a virtual way,this is why many feel it's nothing new,your only removing the necessity of the hardware,but it is a new way of working,this type of conception would have only been in the dreams of scifi writers,I'm sure Bob Moog would have thought somebody was insane if they had this vision of synthesizers,when the first Minimoog or ARP was conceived,yet look at what we have technology wise,we have advanced so much,but almost everything is based on an Old concept,like we kind of need to look to the past for vision of the future,thats how its always been,throughout any concept or idea, so I'm sure that in a further 20 years,the synthesis will still work on the same principle its just our interaction with the devices that will change.

when you look back over the history of synthesizers,thats all that has changed..our interaction with them,A piano is still played the same way irrespective of it being Digital or a traditional Piano,yet you can emulate the Piano realistically within a VST,all that your taking away is the Physical Motion,the act of interaction.

For years we had knob and slider laiden synths,the child like interaction of immediate connection to sound methods,this was replaced with the Japanese "All in one box" with a sterile interface,where we no longer considered the physical connection as important in synthesis and programmed via a small LCD and a couple of Buttons,then it came full circle,we now have the VA interface,this has now given way to no real interaction whatsoever but via a mouse,yet through all of it,the Synthesis is still based on the original Osc/Filter/ADSR approach,all that has altered is the Quality of the Audio.

I'm sure in future there will be some form of thought Process which allows us to communicate with Synthesizers in a totally telepathic way.giving us a totally Virtual world.
The only real innovation in musical instruments is our own perception of how we deal with them.Synthesizers hardware or software are still the same it just giving us a new Approach and idea of working with sound.
Post Posted Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:18 pm
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well spoken Equinoxe.



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Post Posted Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:59 pm
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Written :punch:
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Post Posted Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:13 pm
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Well, then... well written, Equinoxe. :P :nod:
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Post Posted Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:41 pm
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Man...I was not bashing software. I even said that I thought it sounded good. I myself use software synths for god sake. :lol: I never said that software synthesis isn't progress or that it isn't important. It is.

I said - subtractive synthesis isn't something new (not even if you put it in a computer...)and I also said that most software emulations of old hardware don't sound very much like the synths they were modelled after. That goes for VA-synths/ROMplers also. I stand by those opinons.

There are other types of synthesis that are more interesting in a virtual studio IMO and if people want to believe that they actually have what the Yamaha CS80 was/is in the CS80V then go ahead.

The important thing is that people make sounds and have fun while they make music. The nice thing with subtractive synthesis nowadays is that we are all free to choose our way to make music.
Post Posted Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:01 pm
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Mogwai wrote:Man...I was not bashing software. I even said that I thought it sounded

The important thing is that people make sounds and have fun while they make music. The nice thing with subtractive synthesis nowadays is that we are all free to choose our way to make music.


Nobody is Knocking your Opinion,because you don't rate the soft as opposed to the real thing,or the other way round,Thats a subjective view and one which has no hard or fast,or right or wrong rules.

What I was trying to stress is that synthesis is nothing new either in Hard or soft form,we need to recognise the importance of software but not at the expense of ignorance to the hardware,without the Hardware we would have not had the advance of software and Vice versa in the digital world.

Most of what we embrace today is Judged by past efforts,thats why many instruments are just simply reincarnations,its a form of mental influence in our thought process,"What if we could make a Software clone of *Insert you favourite or iconic synthesizer* of course its going to be popular if it costs a small fraction of the real thing,amost everyone has a computer,whereas not everyone has the space for a load of hardware synths,but between a Minimoog and and the Minimoog VST all there is less Physical Presence,one runs via code and the other Uses real components,Yet the synthesis methods in principal are the same one's just Physical the others Virtual.and thats because of our desire to work in these ways nothing more,and this gives us a whole new approach to the Minimoog in essence

The sound is the important thing in the end product,but it has become Quite secondary in our world of communication,we are influenced more by what our eyes see that what we hear.Which is really a shame in a Market where sound should be the Premier contributing factor.

your last Quote here,is exactly What my point of view was concerning in that it's not important what your using we need to embrace the good and bad in everything,its all about our attitudes towards music and how we utilise things to our advantage,and we're free to choose those ways,How the Musical Instrument Industry advanced to what we have today is by our attitudes towards thinking about Musical construction and our Interaction as a Physical Being.We can communicate virtually with thousands of people all over the world via the Web but the need to actually Physically see and talk to our Neighbour next door has dissapated and is no longer important,yet the end result of Communicating is still the same method,the same for a Musician and his need for real Instruments.
Post Posted Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:23 pm
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I've only tested proper synths at various shops, they're way too expensive for me to even consider buying them. Not to mention that there's absolutely no space for them here...

...which is a good thing since I don't really make music all the time so those machines would just bed usting on the corner whereas with VST's I can leave them on my hard disk and use them when I want :P
AnDrOiD wrote:I'm looking forward to the day when someone says: "My first synth was the Arturia CS-80V", or something like that. :punch:
That almost could be me, since CS-80 V was one of the first VST's I tested. I think my very first was imposcar. 8)
Post Posted Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:26 pm
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I like having the hardware synths because they are nice. It's like comparing synths with ladies. Both the inside and the outside is important :wink:
Post Posted Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:57 pm
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I like Lara Croft! :punch:
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Post Posted Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:53 pm
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Maybe but can you feel her? NIX! 8)
Post Posted Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:24 pm
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What was the question then?
Ah!

What was my first synth?
A Korg Mono/Poly .
I was 6 or 7.

Before that it was a piano and an two keyboards + pass pedals electronic organ.

I still consider the Mono/Poly the best when it comes to weird evolving percussive electronic arpeggios since you can "arp" one OSC after the other (there's 4), almost like a "(korg) wavestation" before it's time.

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PS - New 2007 Legacy colection has the Mono/Poly, but haven't tried it yet (I have the real deal... :mrgreen: ).
Post Posted Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:31 pm
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Woah! a synth at the age of 6-7 :) How good were you to handle it back then?
Post Posted Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:40 pm
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Jakob BC wrote:Woah! a synth at the age of 6-7 :) How good were you to handle it back then?
Well, a child's brain is very elastic.
I knew English (learned it as I grew, just like Portuguese), but not enough to read it (manual), nor even if portuguese (I could not read that well with that age, just speak).

So by fiddling with the knobs with trial and error I could quickly understand what they did (attack, decay, sustain, release, amp, filter, OSC, LFO's, X-Mod, arp, etc. - it's all very very well arranged in the panel so it can be touched and manipulated, and your brain learns as if it was a normal nature thing - kind of like if you pull a cat's tail you get a lesson you could not learn from moving your mouse to click a VSTi parameter that simulates pulling a cat's tail...

(I don't think I'd achieve this learning with a DX7... it doesn't "comunicate" naturally for a child to learn by trial and error).

Today's consoles (PS3 my fav) are the equivalente of the mono/poly aproach, they "react" to natural movements and provide a child a great start-up for dealing with technology (internet, conectivity, multimedia, and so on).

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