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Help with Magnetic Fields 1 Synth Sequence


Post Posted Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:42 am
GeeJee
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And use PingPong Delay. :wink:
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Post Posted Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:26 pm
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fischek wrote:Hi,

Can anyone help me with the notes for the fast synth sequence on Magnetic Fields 1? I think the sheet music I have isn't correct because it doesn't sound right.

It might be related to portamento or proper effect or a combination of those two, but it just sounds wrong.

Any help GREATLY appreciated - thanks!
I play it on the piano (hence, no effects, the pattern below simulates the delay, just play with the "force" in your fingers), and from mem too... usually I play'em with left hand and chords with right (on a piano):


(E2)-F2-F1-F2-E2-F1-F2-E2-F1-F1-E2-F2-F1-E2-F2-F1 (x4)
(C2)-C#2-C#1-C#2-C2-C#1-C#2-C2-C#1-C#1-C2-C#2-C#1-C2-C#2-C#1 (x4)
(A2)-A#2-A#1-A#2-A2-A#1-A#2-A2-A#1-A#1-A2-A#2-A#1-A2-A#2-A#1 (x4)
(B3)-C3-C2-C3-B3-C2-C3-B3-C2-C2-B3-C3-C2-B3-C3-C2 (x4)

Or something sort of. 8-)

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Post Posted Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:42 pm
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Thanks - I will give it a try.
Post Posted Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:51 pm
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fischek wrote:Thanks - I will give it a try.
Here's a very short example:



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Post Posted Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:02 pm
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:shock:

what happened to your beard ?? :D
Post Posted Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:13 pm
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radek tymecki wrote::shock:

what happened to your beard ?? :D
He has cut it off a few months ago. Don't you remember? :)
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Post Posted Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:14 pm
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radek tymecki wrote::shock:

what happened to your beard ?? :D
The total mistery surrounding the experience codenamed Teo & Tea project besides body movements, emotions and sexual activity also required me to shave...

... It's not mentioned because they could not stretch the preset intro pattern lenght in the groovebox. Some italian dudes recently required me to grow it back in a couple days... Thus was almost physically impossible and JMJ didn't wanted me to mime the beard... so ops... :-D

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Post Posted Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:31 am
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LOL :D
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Post Posted Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:13 pm
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I'm going to save that one somewhere! :D
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Post Posted Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:00 pm
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The notes on the first page of this topic are right.
Try to set only a bit of phaser between the synth and the stereo delay (or a ping pong delay synchronised with the rythm as indicated by Studio F), and you should obtain something very close to the original.
The attack is long on the VCA too.

Here a sample, I do not have the right synth sound but the effect can be obtain a bit easily I think:

Les chants magnetiques part 1 - Stereo synth
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Post Posted Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:57 am
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I've just saw that my delay effect wasn't right yesterday. The time parameter wasn't good.
I made it again and tried to get closer from the original sound, with an Elka synthex simulation on reaktor.
I did not match the perfect sound yet.
By listening better to the original song, there are some velocity subtles in the sequence that make it groove.
Do someone has the sound patch for this sequence please ?

My last attempt (after a long programming night):

Les chants magnetiques part 1 - Stereo Synth (take 2)
Gearlist:
Kurzweil K2600XS
Roland XV-88
Roland jp8080
Jackson Soloist Custom 1987
SX SST vintage ash natural
Sandberg Basic 5 Ken Taylor
Fender Dual Showman Red Knobs
Engl e530
Ampeg SVT-3
Post Posted Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:09 am
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I think VinceBlood came very close using his OB-Xa. By the way... I don't think the attack on the VCA is long like you said...
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Post Posted Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:33 pm
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Thanks for all the suggestions. I was actually trying to do a cover of the Overture, but the sequence is indentical to Magnetic Fields 1.

Seems that Per Kristian got it dead on ;)

http://www.perkristian.net/music/PerKri ... erture.mp3

By the way, I dropped the idea of doing this cover because I got tired trying, so no need for further efforts - thanks anyway.
Post Posted Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:07 pm
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Virus KC Tuto :

Reproduction de la séquence des Chants Magnétiques Part 1 :
Excerpt : Séquence originale

Introduction :

Il faut garder à l'esprit que la reproduction parfaite n'existe pas, chaque instrument a son propre grain et sa propre touche sonore qui sont dû essentiellement au filtre, à la stabilité des VCO et à la qualité des enveloppes.
Aussi, des paramètres identiques entre deux synthés différents ne donneront pour la plupart des cas, pas de résultat identique.
Il est absolument vain d'essayer d'avoir la chaleur du son d'un ARP 2600 avec un Virus KC par exemple.

Sequence midi : Séquence MIDI

Description du patch :

VCO-1 :

Onde quasiment Carré
(il reste un peu de composante triangulaire)

DEMO VCO1

VCO-2 :

Onde triangulaire (TRI)
Detune : 50%
Semie Tone : Une octave au dessus
SYNC : ON
(Le VCO-2 est synchronisé sur la période du premier)

DEMO VCO2

DEMO VCO1 et VCO2
(rem : on doit faire plus ressortir le VCO1 dans le paramètrage de la balance)

Image

VCO-3 :

Esclave du VCO-2 (Il est l'image du VCO-2 càd triangulaire)
Permet de grossir et d'enrichir le son.

DEMO VCO1, VCO2 et VCO3

Image

(L'ajout du VCO3 est un véritable plus, on enrichit encore plus les harmoniques, le son devient interessant)

AMP Enveloppe :

Attack:9;Decay:61;Sustain:71;Release:0
(valeur min : 0 ; valeur max : 127)

Filter Enveloppe :

Attack:10;Decay:40;Sustain:0;Release:127
(valeur min : 0 ; valeur max : 127)

Filtre LP :

Enveloppe Amount : 61%
Cut-Off : 39%

Matrice de Modulation :

KeyFollow de 9% module le Cut-Off

Le KeyFollow est une valeur qui varie de manière linéaire de bas en haut du clavier.
On veut ici avec un Cut-Off avoir une clarté du son plus elevé sur la partie haute du clavier. Conséquence, les notes sont plus claires en haut du clavier et plus sourde en bas.

Mod Wheel de 10% module le Cut-Off

Aurait pu être n'importe quel autre contrôleur, ici on peut faire varier le Cut-Off avec la molette de modulation, sur le midi ci-joint, les valeurs de molette sont différent à chaque note. La séquence est plus riche et celà joue énormément sur la qualité de rendu des échos. On limite beaucoup les effets désagréables de recouvrement de note identique.
JM Jarre a choisit minutieusement les valeurs de Cut-Off en fonction de l'écho de sorte à ce que l'ensemble fasse un tout sonore et non pas une séquence et des échos que l'on distinguerait trop.

Autre :

Le legato est activé, si deux notes sont recouvertes alors l'enveloppe de la deuxième note n'est pas redéclenchée (à la manière du Minimoog).

Résultat :

Séquence brute

Séquence avec écho (4)
Post Posted Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:45 pm
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Very very nice, thanks for the explanation ;)
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