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Roland MC808 vs. JMJ debate


Post Posted Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:28 am
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Beautiful Agony :
They were hooby-joobing in da studio, she suddenly sat on the MC808, the pattern began to play and the micros were not off, and you can now hear the result
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Post Posted Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:00 am
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On the Roland site, there is a link to the page featuring the profiles of those who created the patterns for the MC-808. Jarre is not there, but Tim is (very bottom)

http://www.rolandus.com/go/mc-808/
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Post Posted Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:30 am
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Thanks! One of Pate's demos said made by Kilian. That is another of the creators.
Post Posted Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:52 am
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Elf wrote:
GeeJee wrote:
Elf wrote:An example where Jarre took samples from another recording and did something creative with it, is the original Arab chant on Revolutions.
That was actually recorded for the occasion. The singer is credited. ;)
AFAIK, this is only true on the re-recorded version he did in 1990. On the orginal version from 1988, Xavier Bellenger is credited for providing the chant sample.
The vocals were done by Duke Bakewell. ;)
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Post Posted Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:33 pm
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Elf wrote:I also feel that I've mabye been a bit hipocritical here. After all, some of my favorite albums are made by artists that base a lot of their work of samples around songs by other artists. Take the first Enigma-album for example. The single Sadeness consists of a drum beat from "Keep on Moving" by Soul II Soul, gregorian chants taken from another album and on top of this Michael Cretu throws on a few sound effects and a flute. And it works!

I think sampling is ok as long as you 1) aknowledge that you've sampled and credit the original artist and 2) put it in to completely different context and do something creative with it.

I think it's my second point there Jarre didn't succeed this time around, even if I enjoy listening to T&T while working.

An example where Jarre took samples from another recording and did something creative with it, is the original Arab chant on Revolutions. On T & T it seems like Jarre only pressed play and noodled a bit on top. The result sounds cool, imo, but it's not very creative and I expect something better than that from Jarre, however unfair that is of me.


Using a Loop from an Akai sample Library is not "Taking" a sample from someone elses work,there not subject to copyright law in the same way a sample taken fro msomeones recording(unless the sampler Library states otherwise)the Loop your referring to used by both S2S and Enigma is off the loop construction Kit library that was produced for the Akai S950 Sampler series,in retrospect,Enigma always credit where there samples are sourced from in the sleeve notes so if they had of sampled S2S,which they didn't it would be listed after Clearance was granted,this is part of the agreement of a clearance Contract,whether is lists the Composer or the source direct from where its taken.
There are loads of Loops Enigma used on various Albums which have been in Akai Sample Libraries,theres also one they used ,which was also used by Depeche Mode on "Get Right With Me"...
Post Posted Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:35 pm
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Equinoxe5 wrote:On the Roland site, there is a link to the page featuring the profiles of those who created the patterns for the MC-808. Jarre is not there, but Tim is (very bottom)

http://www.rolandus.com/go/mc-808/
So, there was a sweede guy there? "tweeky" Ahlund. Sounds much like "Ã…hlund" wich is a swedish name...or danish. :roll:
Not very strange then I have such a hard time with this T&T album. :mrgreen:
But still...Vintage is one of the best tracks I've ever heard, nothing will take that away from me
and Ok,DoItFast has a cool, funky rythm. :wink:
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Post Posted Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:41 pm
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Equinoxe wrote:one things for sure,You can't say Jarre,used them with the belief that no Fan of his would not buy an MC808 and not recognise the patterns.
I think he don't care anymore. Just like when he pretends to play live right in front of fans at a showcase. :pwned:
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Post Posted Fri Jun 22, 2007 4:07 pm
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AnDrOiD wrote:
Equinoxe wrote:one things for sure,You can't say Jarre,used them with the belief that no Fan of his would not buy an MC808 and not recognise the patterns.
I think he don't care anymore. Just like when he pretends to play live right in front of fans at a showcase. :pwned:
Or get on the stage in boxer shorts? :P :pwned:
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Post Posted Fri Jun 22, 2007 4:51 pm
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AnDrOiD wrote:just like when he pretends to play live right in front of fans at a showcase. :pwned:
What?? :shock:
Your Saying that Jarre doesn't play Live :|


Next you'll be telling me there's no Santa Claus :nod: :fine:
Post Posted Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:33 pm
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Anybody here who has heard the new sophie ellis baxtor single called "Catch you" ?

It kinda reminds me of some french dude's track from his new album....

I guess there is more to come like this...
Post Posted Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:36 pm
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Equinoxe wrote:
AnDrOiD wrote:just like when he pretends to play live right in front of fans at a showcase. :pwned:
What?? :shock:
Your Saying that Jarre doesn't play Live :|


Next you'll be telling me there's no Santa Claus :nod: :fine:
It's not that he doesn't play live... it's that he doesn't care! :P :punch:
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Post Posted Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:38 pm
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Antigoon wrote:Anybody here who has heard the new sophie ellis baxtor single called "Catch you" ?

It kinda reminds me of some french dude's track from his new album....

I guess there is more to come like this...
I have to say I quite like it :P :D . But the drums don't sound very 808-ish. There are some parts that have some similarities with Fresh News indeed, but not that much.
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Post Posted Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:00 pm
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AnDrOiD wrote:
Equinoxe wrote:
AnDrOiD wrote:just like when he pretends to play live right in front of fans at a showcase. :pwned:
What?? :shock:
Your Saying that Jarre doesn't play Live :|


Next you'll be telling me there's no Santa Claus :nod: :fine:
It's not that he doesn't play live... it's that he doesn't care! :P :punch:
In other words, he doesn't care if he doesn't play live :pwned:

(were going off the beaten track a bit here, back to the 808 me thinks)

I may pop into the city next week and see if I can find a demo of the 808 and see what it's like.
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Post Posted Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:04 pm
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On-topic, people! 8)
Post Posted Sat Jun 23, 2007 1:34 pm
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Afterall this album couldn't be too much time and effort for Jean Michel.
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