Blah Blah Cafe, the Jean-Michel Jarre forum

[Nico_Noyau]

Yes but synthesis+sampling in the same synth is quite strange actually
At least for me, I wouldn't do both at the same time, but that's just me, the Wave is nice, but still

[Jarp2600]

Yes but synthesis+sampling in the same synth is quite strange actually
At least for me, I wouldn't do both at the same time, but that's just me, the Wave is nice, but still

*CoughV-synthcough*

[JPQ]

I think jp8000 becouse i heared there is plenty jd800 problems. But both have own purposes.

[Pete]

Yes but synthesis+sampling in the same synth is quite strange actually
At least for me, I wouldn't do both at the same time, but that's just me, the Wave is nice, but still

Well, the Kurzweil K2000 did it 16 years ago... and it can be really surprising even today, although it didn't have all the realtime control knobs and sliders -just one-, but via sys ex you could remote many parameters. Just forget/forgive its internal Digitech effects...

The choice among a JD and JP depends on what you like more from a synth. If you want to have an arpeggiator and a more fashion-glimmering-analog-like sound, go for the JP.
If you like to have a different palette of sounds, like basic waveforms of choirs/strings/pianos/guitars, but some more sterile analog sampled waveforms (saw, tri, squ etc.) go for the JD.

The pads are great on the JD, but it can't compare for some sync lead sounds or the SynthBass sounds. Anyway the JD is not bad as to the lead solo sounds (like the synth distorted lead with portamento of "Voodoo People" by The Prodigy)

Ah, by the way, the JD has a five octave keyboard vs four of the JP and also the polyphony is better on the JD since the physical sound modeling requires more cpu power. Actually 8 voices on the JP and virtually 24 on the JD, but mind that if you use all the 4 layers for a sound on the JD the popyphony is divided by 4 = 6 voices...)

[Jakob BC]

Yeah the good old Wailing Guitar patch of the JD

If you are looking after a synth to make something like an Equinoxe 7 bass, as you had some problem with, the JP is a good choise. It's a standard modern VA, so it has the most commonly used features of the old analog synths. Learning synthesis is also a wide thing that opens many doors. I suppose it's the standard analog/subtractive synthesis you want to dig into, so again it points towards the JP. Later you can get a JD to expand the palette of sounds.

[Nico_Noyau]

Yes but synthesis+sampling in the same synth is quite strange actually
At least for me, I wouldn't do both at the same time, but that's just me, the Wave is nice, but still

Well, the Kurzweil K2000 did it 16 years ago... and it can be really surprising even today, although it didn't have all the realtime control knobs and sliders -just one-, but via sys ex you could remote many parameters. Just forget/forgive its internal Digitech effects...

Yes but I mean, to learn synthesis I wouldn't begin with a synth like that, I love the K2000, I'll get one, one day, for a nice price, I wish so

[jp8000]

If you like JMJ:s album Chronologie, you will get some sounds choosing the JD

(but some sounds requires tweaking)

[juanito]

In fact, the Korg Z1 is also a VA synth but it include also other form of synthesis. The problem with the Z1 is that we loose a lot of time browsing thru menu. Idea of looking for a JD or JP is to have a "machine" who can give access any parameter on each synthesis stage! Finaly i'll looking for a second hand jp8000! SH-201 should be also an option but it less complete...

The jp8000 is more or less compact (4 octave) and should be the good way to learn synthesis before starting with other machines... likes D550, Z1, P600 and other virtual "things"...

[Jakob BC]

Yeah the Z1 is probably a nice synth, but isn't very 'hands on'.

[Equinoxe]

What you have to look at,is any synth you can learn synthesis on,its the interface that will determine how you take to it..

Every synth,no matter what acronyms it uses for its synthesis are merely all based on the same Subtractive principles with the exception of perhaps FM or additive synthesis,but they still work on the same principles after the initial waveform/Sample/Carrier


Its whether you want to learn via a Knob laden,clutter free panel or scroll sub menus from an LCD

Its easier to learn on something like the JP or Nord because they have pretty much everything on the front panel,so your not scrolling through pages of menus on an LCD and you can see how the signal path works,

The Z1 takes time to learn all the modulation and routing options,so it can become confusing until you've spent some time understanding what each page of the structure does,its infact quite a deep machine,which having spent some time in the last 2 years getting to grips with,is a rewarding synth,I wouldn't want to dig into it without a decent understanding of synthesist first..

The JD800 is another synth which will help you understand the principles of Subtractive methods,but it works with samples rather than Waveforms and has a very good front panel structure that you can see the signal path.but your already given a sound via a sample so your already working on detracting elements to shape the sounds rather than working with an initial buildign block to create a sound.
it would be better to work with waveforms so you can understand what make up certain aspect of sounds and learn to program them,you can then apply this knowledge to Rompler machines and work with samples.