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Post Posted Fri Apr 12, 2024 10:45 am
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""He was part of GRM music studio, full daddy's boy, thought he was talented and was fired because he stole sounds from GRM (always denied, but it's in books). He thinks he has invented electronic pop music but in fact he has just good political relations and money...



He's always tried to take advantage of the slightest opportunity to make his own publicity, using what others had created before him. He's a publicist, a sort of musical swindler...

He took things that didn't belong to him to make money...



(...) as a french guy who worked with some people from that studio and such, we have a lot of stories about Jarre."


I think it's from an american forum; guess it's recrimination and malice.
Post Posted Fri Apr 12, 2024 11:05 am
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I wonder who these people are who say these things. Ex GRM collegues? Or people who heard from friends who heard from friends. I mean, it's not that he made tons of money during his time at GRM, La Cage/Erosmachine was made during that time and Happiness is a sad song he made for a festival iirc. AOR happened after he left GRM.

The "stealing sounds" claim has some validity because of JMJ's own anecdote of breaking into the GRM and record La Cage/Erosmachine, but the composition is all his I think... It sounds to me that there is some jealousy involved here, unless there's some evidence to bsck up these claims.
Post Posted Fri Apr 12, 2024 7:46 pm
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In this interview, Igor Wakhévitch tells some cool stories about working at the GRM together with Pierre Shaeffer and JMJ:

https://www.psychedelicbabymag.com/2018 ... rview.html
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Post Posted Fri Apr 12, 2024 8:21 pm
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I love that interview. I'm still laughing when I read this:
Making a last scandal, we slammed the door using for that our best oscillator-generator’s envelop without any filter and any delay. But a big big big reverberation at 100%. A monumental electronic fart that you can find in the INA and GRM archives. “Jarre-Wakhévitch” are the coauthors of a “plug-in” known as “Wakhévitch-Jarre’s scandalous behavior”. We earned a lot of money with our plug-in; we still share the royalties of our tonitruant departure from the G.R.M.
Post Posted Sat Apr 13, 2024 12:10 pm
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I love that anecdote Dr. Jones :-)
Concerts attended:
Destination Docklands 1988
Paris la Defense 1990
Europe in Concert - Wembley Stadium 1993
Oxygene Tour - Wembley Arena 1997
Theatre Marigny Paris 2007
Oxygene Tour - NCH Dublin 2008
2010 Tour - The 02 Dublin The 02 London (10-10-10)
Electronica Tour - 3Arena Dublin 2016
Post Posted Sun Apr 14, 2024 4:58 pm
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This is the second interview I've read with Igor Wakhevitch, in which he and Jarre lived together for a while and collaborated on AOR...But he always gave the 'subtle' indication that...they would be lovers!!!
Ricardo Melo
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Port Hercule, Monaco - 2011
Post Posted Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:22 pm
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:lol2: :lol2:


An easy reposte : ask them those jealous bitter types from whichever hole they crawled out from :
which of them have positively impacted millions of lives various parts of the world;
were are their sublime brilliant albums;
has any of you made a sublime album as Oxygene Equinoxe, a brilliant album as Concerts in China, a masterpiece as Zoolook, helped heal NASA Rendezvous Houston after Challenger tragedy, as stunning as Revolutions, as mesmerising as Waiting For Cousteau, as diverse as Metamorphoses, as delicate as Amazonia, as intricate as Oxymore.
Post Posted Wed May 08, 2024 10:59 pm
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As printed in the Electronic Sound magazine, 2022 this is JMJs account of recording La Cage and Erosmachine at the GRM:
‘La Cage’ and ‘Erosmachine’, the two tracks featured on Jean-Michel Jarre’s 1971 debut single, were both recorded a couple of years before the seven-inch was released. At the time, he was studying at the Groupe de Recherches Musicales (GRM), the electroacoustic music laboratory in Paris headed by musique concréte pioneer Pierre Schaeffer. Jarre put together the main components of ‘La Cage’ at the GRM in the dead of night, with a friend acting as a lookout.

“As students, we were not allowed to go alone into the big professional studios,” he remembers. “They were kept locked and only the established composers could use them, but we managed to make a copy of the key so we were able to get inside the studios at night. I did most of ‘La Cage’ in the dark, including the sequences, because we didn’t dare turn a light on.”

The GRM's close association with the Office de Radiodiffusion-Télévision Francaise (ORTF, previously known as RTF), which was responsible for French national radio and television, gave its tutors and students access to a wide array of broadcasting equipment, most notably the station's oscillators. Jarre used at least 12 oscillators for the intensely rhythmic together with a musical saw, a guitar which he played with of percussive instruments, including rototoms.

“Working with oscillators and filter banks that had been hijacked from the radio station was a totally underground approach,” laughs Jarre. “The radio had been using oscillators for testing and maintenance before this, not for making any kind of music. Using them to make sequences in this way was really interesting and the result is something that sounds very electronic.”

Jarre took a quite different path for ‘Erosmachine’, a much more playful electroacoustic track featuring sampled voices and a harmonium he came across in the studio. The sampling is one of the aspects that links his first single with ‘Oxymore’, his new album, and also with his mid-1980s releases ‘Zoolook’ and ‘Musique Pour Supermarché’.

“By sampling people shouting and breathing, I was being faithful to how we were dealing with sounds at the GRM,” he says. “The core of music as an art form is not just songs, so I’ve always believed vocals could be explored and exploited in ways that don’t involve lyrics. The whole idea of ‘Oxymore’ was about me going back to how I worked during this period, so the fact that this single is coming out again is something special.”

The ‘La Cage’/‘Erosmachine’ single came out on the Pathé label, at that point a division of EMI, and was available only in France. The often repeated story that only 117 copies were sold is almost certainly a myth, but itis unlikely the true figure was above 1,000. Which is why mint condition discs typically sell for around £200 and why we're delighted to be reissuing this record for the first time ever. Our reissue comes with a reconstruction of the original picture sleeve, the back of which boasts a wonderfully poetic paragraph written by Jarre’s childhood friend Max Dumas (credited as Xam Samud), describing Jarre crafting the tracks in the darkness of the GRM.

“Organ, bass guitar, drums in full force,” reads the text in English. “Lots of sticks. A whole range of percussion equipment, from the bongo to the rattle, including the flexatone and the wooden spoon. Finally, music. Mixed, ground, modulated by synthesiser, generators, filters themselves manipulated and monitored thanks to about 50 potentiometers and dials. The troglodyte magician fresh out of the ORTF’s Groupe de Recherches Musicales is there, reigning in his dark cave in the very centre of Paris. He touches everything, sees everything. The sound gushes out from the powerful speakers.”







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