BlahBlahCafe - Jean-Michel Jarre forum

Hi--
Where can I listen to the original, 1st edition, non-remixed versions of the songs Zoolook and Zoolookologie? Are they on YouTube?

Also, please describe the differences between the original mixes and the remixed versions.

Thank you!

Vumiko wrote:Hi--
Where can I listen to the original, 1st edition, non-remixed versions of the songs Zoolook and Zoolookologie? Are they on YouTube?

Also, please describe the differences between the original mixes and the remixed versions.

Thank you!

Zoolook original:


Zoolook remix:


Zoolookologie original:


Zoolookologie remix:

The differences between the original and remix versions of both songs are subtle.
For Zoolookologie: the 'chorus' part is faded into the music in the original.
For Zoolook: the remix has some small parts cut for pacing issues

Seriously, not a single other person noticed that there are infact three different album mixes of Zoolook and Zoolookologie? I've even opened a topic about this myself and didn't get a single response on it.

rinogurr wrote:Zoolook original:

Yeah so this for example is not the original 1984 (CD) mix but rather the 1997 remastered mix. It's easy to figure out due to the complete lack of a bass drop the first ten seconds of the track. The remix features one at about six seconds into the track and another one ten seconds into the track, but the one you posted completely lack any and all bass drops. The 30th anniversary CD actually goes back to what is the original 1984 CD mix by featuring a single bass drop a few seconds into the track (19:17). All three versions also have a different length.
1984 (CD): 3:51:733
1985 Remix: 3:50:826
1997 Remaster: 3:58:773

Same goes for the Zoolookologie link you've posted, that's also not the original 1984 (CD) mix. It's also the 1997 remastered mix. It's nearly identical to the original track, but has a different BPM which causes the track to run six seconds shorter and has a bit different feel. Some of the sounds are also placed slightly different throughout the mix, but if I hear the two on seperate occasions I can't tell the difference honestly. Again all three versions also have a different length.
1984 (CD): 4:20:866
1985 Remix: 3:42:800
1997 Remaster: 4:14:800


But hey, apparently no one else ever seemed to have noticed it in the past 30 years and I got kicked off of Wikipedia back in 2011 for editing the page to state this information, so who am I to tell...

I consider the 1997 and 2015 remasters as non-canon, I'm aware of the different mixes on it though.

[edit] seriously, Wikipedia kicked you out for this?? O_o

I was reported by a user back in the day for having edited the page without evidence. I was still working on editing the page and was working on adding links that backed up that there was a third (and apparently now even a fourth if I go by your words) edit of the album. I haven't visited the wiki page of the album since.

But how come you don't consider those tracks? The '97 is different with both Zoolook and Zoolookologie. Hell even Ethnicolor and Blah-Blah Café were changed for this release. I can get behind the '15 since those are the original '84 mix but remastered to the point of absurdity...

shadow wrote:But how come you don't consider those tracks? The '97 is different with both Zoolook and Zoolookologie. Hell even Ethnicolor and Blah-Blah Café were changed for this release. I can get behind the '15 since those are the original '84 mix but remastered to the point of absurdity...

I've ignored the 1997 release because it had errors: the swapped left/right channels and, I did not realized until earlier this year, the wrong mixing of Ethnicolor. They were not fixed (in fact, the 2015 releases have the same errors except that left/right are ok again).

Don't forget that there are 2 versions of Rendez-Vous album excluding the remastered ones.

What different versions? I'm aware of the original pressing that split Second and Fifth Rendez-vous in multiple parts. But I don't recall it actually having a new mixing (minus the missing beat in the fourth track).

Dr_Jones wrote:

shadow wrote:But how come you don't consider those tracks? The '97 is different with both Zoolook and Zoolookologie. Hell even Ethnicolor and Blah-Blah Café were changed for this release. I can get behind the '15 since those are the original '84 mix but remastered to the point of absurdity...

I've ignored the 1997 release because it had errors: the swapped left/right channels and, I did not realized until earlier this year, the wrong mixing of Ethnicolor. They were not fixed (in fact, the 2015 releases have the same errors except that left/right are ok again).

I've noticed those flaws myself also, but at least the switched channels are fixed with a click of a button. I still don't get the (new?) edits of Ethnicolor, Diva and Blah-Blah Café however (the other two were also changed for the '97 edition). They're all slightly different with bits being extended or just different altogether. And there doesn't really seem to be a reason for it...

shadow wrote:What different versions? I'm aware of the original pressing that split Second and Fifth Rendez-vous in multiple parts. But I don't recall it actually having a new mixing (minus the missing beat in the fourth track).

Some copies have one sigh extra between part 4 and 5

Really? Can't say I've ever noticed that!

shadow wrote:What different versions? I'm aware of the original pressing that split Second and Fifth Rendez-vous in multiple parts. But I don't recall it actually having a new mixing (minus the missing beat in the fourth track).

This is standard version of the album.

This is second version of the album.

Credits from the 2nd version:


The difference between 2 versions is in slightly different version of 4th rendez-vous. In the 1st case the track was mixed by Ermelin and Vanzetto. In the 2nd case it was mixed by Kervorkian.

Cool, will check it out!

Violator wrote:

shadow wrote:What different versions? I'm aware of the original pressing that split Second and Fifth Rendez-vous in multiple parts. But I don't recall it actually having a new mixing (minus the missing beat in the fourth track).

Credits from the 2nd version:
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The difference between 2 versions is in slightly different version of 4th rendez-vous. In the 1st case the track was mixed by Ermelin and Vanzetto. In the 2nd case it was mixed by Kervorkian.

Wow. Never noticed this before. Thanks. Strangely, to my knowledge, this difference does not appear on any french issue.
Otherwise, 1st version was mixed by Ermelin and Geiss (not Vanzetto)

Similarly to JM, his father also made music with "ethnic music meets electronic" concept.

Everything clear if you listen to Maurice soundtrack for the film of "The year of living dangerously".