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North-and South Pole
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:47 pm
by Robi
Shame in humankind , these wonderful places are getting smaller...
Good infos here !!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Pole
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pole
For the first time, scientists have confirmed Earth is melting at both ends, which could have disastrous effects for coastal cities and villages.
Antarctica has been called "a slumbering giant" by a climate scientist who predicts that if all the ice melted, sea levels would rise by 200 feet. Other scientists believe that such a thing won't happen, but new studies show that the slumbering giant has started to stir.
Recent studies have confirmed that the North Pole and the South Pole have started melting.
Experts have long predicted that global warming would start to melt Greenland's two-mile-thick ice sheet, but they also thought the more massive ice sheet covering Antarctica would increase in the 21st century.
It seems they were wrong.
Two new studies find that despite the increasing snowfall that comes with global warming as a result of the increased moisture in the air, Antarctica's ice sheets are losing far more than the snow is adding.
According to the National Academy of Sciences, Earth's surface temperature has risen by about 1 degree Fahrenheit in the last century, with accelerated warming during the last two decades. Most of the warming over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities through the buildup of greenhouse gases -- primarily carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide. Although the heat-trapping property of these gases is undisputed, uncertainties exist about exactly how Earth's climate responds to them.
"The warming ocean comes underneath the ice shelves and melts them from the bottom, and warmer air from the top melts them from the top," said NASA glaciologist Jay Zwally. "So they're thinning and eventually they get to a point where they go poof!"
Zwally explains that the ice shelves, which the Antarctic ice cap pushes out into the ocean, are responding more than they expected to Earth's warming air and water. If the melting speeds up to a rapid runaway process called a "collapse," coastal cities and villages could be in danger.
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:33 pm
by Robi
Yes, it shows perfectly this topic is absolutely not interesting...
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:40 pm
by Nico_Noyau
Nah, that's not true, I'm aware of this problem, and I try to save energy, but that problem is not new, if no one want to solve it, what can we do...
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:48 pm
by Robi
Thanks Nico!...
I think everybody must be / should be interested in this problem, human pollution for our Earth ; that is real problem if ice sheet of North Pole will be disappeared by around 2020...
Do we want to hurt this ?

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:56 pm
by Nico_Noyau
We, individually, can help this problem, but the main problem remaining is those huge companies, they waste and waste and waste like hell, and what can we do about it, as poor little man with our "shut up the light when you leave a room, turn off your water when you brush your teeth", when they waste thousands of water everyday...
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:08 pm
by Jakob BC
I am indeed also aware of this. One of the big problem is that political parties don't want to increase the fees on cars because they will lose votes

Wind- and solarenergy is also one of the better energy sources I support, but then people whine about the windmills spoiling their sight. These are just one of the many problems. Am also against this new trend about having two cars in a family. I don't know how it looks in other countries, but here it is very commong that you'll see only one person in each car.
The ticketprices on the public transport are way too high also, but again I can only speak for my own country. I don't mind the prices on fuel is increasing, except that it affects the public transport as well.
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:11 pm
by Robi
I think you have right! Oil refineries, transport, killing rainforest
At least they would settle trees !!
(I just had to put this photo here , i know this is not astro thread...)

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:12 pm
by Nico_Noyau
Well, in my family, my father has his car, my mother has her car, my father uses it to work (he sells houses, so he needs one), and my mother constantly uses it to go to shops.
And in one year, I'll have my car aswell, to go to school (no bus to go there) and to be independant...
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:20 pm
by Velodynamic
Airplanes are pouring out fuel directly in our atmosphere and some people are almost killed by big blocks of ice falling down from frozen chemtrails.
But the flying companies are making big bucks and who wants to stop travel?
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:26 pm
by Nico_Noyau
Robbie wrote:I think you have right! Oil refineries, transport, killing rainforest
At least they would settle trees !!
(I just had to put this photo here , i know this is not astro thread...)
Image
I'm sorry, but it has been Photoshopped dear
@Velo : oh you are right, I didn't see it like that

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:29 pm
by Robi
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:34 pm
by Nico_Noyau
WoW, I love the atmosphere of the second one !!

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:58 pm
by Jakob BC
The second pictures reminds me of the cover of Trentemøller's latest album
Anyway Im coming from a family who have never owned a car in my lifetime, my parents chosed to live without a car but it has worked well so far

I guess my opinion about cars are then very coloured by that.
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:41 pm
by Nico_Noyau
I have a family in which a car is the most important thing, even more important than having a decent house, my aunt's husband collects Citroën cars, he owns 50 cars and 3 firemen trucks, my grandfather is alone to drive and he owns 4 cars (old and new), my father was fond of cars when he was young, so that's quite important for us, and my grandfather often shouts at me when I tell him I still have no driver license
Is the Trentemøller's album worth checking ?

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:05 am
by GeeJee
Of course I'm aware of this problem, but like others said, I don't feel I can do much as an individual.
