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VinceBlood wrote:Magnetic Fields Part 1c - Oberheim Lead

Welcome back, Vince! Your posts are always very interesting.
Did you record it on your OB-SX or on the OB-Xa?

P.

Equinoxe wrote:...
I don't like the way people compare Hardware to their software counterparts,like they commited a crime by not replicating it 100% because your already handicapped by the fact of them being different platforms.It really grates on me when these Analog geeks say it sounds nothing like the real thing,well it won't,it just gives the impression of it.

my bit here...
I can agree with both of you in this debate on some points.
I have both an ARP 2600 grey model (the second model with the G clef ARP logo) and the Arturia ARP 2600V.
It is not correct to consider the Arturia a clone of the original in the virtual world.
The 2600V is a modern Synthesizer with all the modules and modulation possibilities of the original 2600, but with its own character. On some sounds it can get pretty close to the good old 2600, but it still retains its modern sound character.
It is as you begin closing the filter and increasing the resonance that the difference gets bigger. But for some tastes this can be a good point, unless you are only looking for a clone of the original.

P.

Speaking of the Original....There's one for sale(MK3 Black/Orange Face) on the VEMIA auction site this year.along with an Eminent Solina String synthesizer,Don't think I've ever seen one of those for sale before,the ARP badged ones maybe but not the actual Synthesizer model,looks Quite intruiging and Like a Pimped String ensemble section with the traditional Eminent organ look of the 80s.

Lot number #5627(Page 4 on the Auction room)for the ARP2600,Eminent SS is listed on Page 5 (Lot Number #5667)

Looks like there is a few Slider caps missing on the ARP,Currently Bids sitting as £1000


VEMIA

nice, I would buy one just for fun, if I had money to do it

Pete wrote:

Equinoxe wrote:...
I don't like the way people compare Hardware to their software counterparts,like they commited a crime by not replicating it 100% because your already handicapped by the fact of them being different platforms.It really grates on me when these Analog geeks say it sounds nothing like the real thing,well it won't,it just gives the impression of it.

my bit here...
I can agree with both of you in this debate on some points.
I have both an ARP 2600 grey model (the second model with the G clef ARP logo) and the Arturia ARP 2600V.
It is not correct to consider the Arturia a clone of the original in the virtual world.
The 2600V is a modern Synthesizer with all the modules and modulation possibilities of the original 2600, but with its own character. On some sounds it can get pretty close to the good old 2600, but it still retains its modern sound character.
It is as you begin closing the filter and increasing the resonance that the difference gets bigger. But for some tastes this can be a good point, unless you are only looking for a clone of the original.

P.

Pete you tried the TimewARP2600?

jp8000 wrote:nice, I would buy one just for fun, if I had money to do it

And I would buy one to use if I lived in Europe

Pete wrote:

Equinoxe wrote:...
I don't like the way people compare Hardware to their software counterparts,like they commited a crime by not replicating it 100% because your already handicapped by the fact of them being different platforms.It really grates on me when these Analog geeks say it sounds nothing like the real thing,well it won't,it just gives the impression of it.

my bit here...
I can agree with both of you in this debate on some points.
I have both an ARP 2600 grey model (the second model with the G clef ARP logo) and the Arturia ARP 2600V.
It is not correct to consider the Arturia a clone of the original in the virtual world.
The 2600V is a modern Synthesizer with all the modules and modulation possibilities of the original 2600, but with its own character. On some sounds it can get pretty close to the good old 2600, but it still retains its modern sound character.
It is as you begin closing the filter and increasing the resonance that the difference gets bigger. But for some tastes this can be a good point, unless you are only looking for a clone of the original.

P.

My opinion is that even if no two old synths sound the same, you can still tell which synth it is

It's like engines. No two old MAN diesel engines sound the same in the world, but they all have character, and when a bus with a MAN engines is driving nearby you can TELL

jp8000 wrote:nice, I would buy one just for fun, if I had money to do it

The old gear doesn't have any interest to me,perhaps maybe a few years ago,I'd have bought some,I don't want anything that needs to be looked after all the time,whilst I take good care of my synths,I want stability and not have to keep having it serviced,just for the sheer hell of owning one,It just wouldn't be fair to have one and let it sit there doing nothing,even when Money is no object.I would rather spend 5K on an Oasys than an ARP2600 just to say I own one,if I bought an ARP it would have to be justifiable to use in my studio,and given my lack of interest in Vintage Hardware it would sit there doing nothing or at the least very little to that effect.

In which case with the Software availible,although it may not sound 100% cloned or even have the feel and interaction of the Hardware I'd have the software instead,it still gives you the idea of how they work and the impression of the sounds,without the hassle and TLC just to keep it working.

Equinoxe wrote:

jp8000 wrote:nice, I would buy one just for fun, if I had money to do it

The old gear doesn't have any interest for me,perhaps maybe a few years ago,I 'd have bought some,I don't want anything that needs to be looked after all the time,whilst I take good care of my synths,I want stability and not have to keep having it serviced,just for the sheer hell of owning one,in which case with the Software availible,although it may not sound 100% cloned or even have the feel and interaction of the Hardware and I'd have the software instead,it still gives you the idea of how they work anf the impression of the sounds.

You have the point there.. thanks!

btw

but the JP8000 is still on my list, although it is old

jp8000 wrote:


btw

but the JP8000 is still on my list, although it is old

10 years and digital,not really the same status as a 30 year old dinosaur,and most certainly doesn't need to be serviced(Or cost the earth to do so)and will turn on again and again for years without some much of an out of tune oscillator.
Hopefully You'll get one someday,Its definetly a favourite VA of mine,thats Why I have the Rack and the synth model.

The old gear doesn't have any interest to me,perhaps maybe a few years ago,I'd have bought some,I don't want anything that needs to be looked after all the time,whilst I take good care of my synths,I want stability and not have to keep having it serviced,just for the sheer hell of owning one,It just wouldn't be fair to have one and let it sit there doing nothing,even when Money is no object.I would rather spend 5K on an Oasys than an ARP2600 just to say I own one,if I bought an ARP it would have to be justifiable to use in my studio,and given my lack of interest in Vintage Hardware it would sit there doing nothing or at the least very little to that effect.

In which case with the Software availible,although it may not sound 100% cloned or even have the feel and interaction of the Hardware I'd have the software instead,it still gives you the idea of how they work and the impression of the sounds,without the hassle and TLC just to keep it working.

Debate is difficult if don't like old gears anymore. In the life, we need to balance with inconvenients and advantages for all things, old gears have the sound and material presence than virtual gear don't have. Gears choice will often lead your music making and it is good that people enjoy both with real gear and virtual. Instability is the rule of almost all old gear, people that buy old synth accept that.

I lent my OB-SX and OB-Xa for a studio, they produced an entire album with them. They said me that the sound signal itself in console input is not common, they never seen such big sound.

Note that my ARP Odyssey is very very stable (1972), very good in live condition for Herby Hancock sound.



Oberheim Lead record come from OB-Xa. OB-SX, althought it has same component, has a much warmer sound in low frequencies, sound is a bit different.

I'm not saying I don't like the Old gear,what synth enthusiast wouldn't be into the classics,after all there are some milestone synths which have changed the face of Electronic Music for sure.

They need a different attitude and approach to appreciate their Pitfalls and Plus's and need to be fully used to really justify keeping them,Money isn't the issue here after all,I've spent a lot of cash over the years on my studio that I could have easily bought a nice collection of Vintage synths for the same equivilant price,but I don't really work in that sort of way.

I wouldn't want to invest the money in something,that lets face it is really only worth as much as someone is willing to pay,not a price that reflects its true value

An ARP2600 maybe a vintage piece of Kit,and to many thats all the price really dictates,because Majority of People whom money is no object to buy those,possibly wouldn't spend the time using it and what your prepared to pay yourself to own one only inflates the Price,those who actually use and appreciate the Machine are not keeping hold of them for the Value,but because they integrate into their way of working and they actually use them sonically

Even if the ARP or Moogs of this world were ten a Penny,I wouldn't want them in my working environment.Nice to look at and use for a few sounds and and say "I've got this or that" but nothing more,Just like antiques now,they only really hold an interest value not a real Instrument value,they need as Much time invested spent looking after as they do using them to really want one that Much you'd pay stupid money for one.

I've owned and had some of the lesser vintage Analogs,But I'm now in the digital World in terms of the studio and recording methods,the Analog synth does have a place,just not in my studio.

The reflexion you describe does not really touch only Synthesizers. In fact, you are telling that people sees before the appearence and materialism and after the interest. Our society make people like lambs. Frustation , frustration ... makes people to buy the useless.

You have simply the intelligence to choose the essential that you need.
Most of vintage buying are fads, people need to dream and realize some dream.

VinceBlood wrote: Our society make people like lambs. Frustation , frustration ... makes people to buy the useless.

You have simply the intelligence to choose the essential that you need.
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It like having a new car thats reliable and drives for longer between service intervals or having the classic name car and spending its time in the garage every few months,they both do the same job,dependant on your needs,if all you want to do is drive then go for the more reliable option of a newer car,or buy the Vintage model and spend the money on maintaining it just to have a fashion accessory.

Sometimes its through frustration and struggle having everything that you actually see through the selfishness of your ways,and find its the Basics that were the Happiest and easiest times.

So are you saying if a person desires a certain kind of sound, he should simply forget about it, get a software version (that sounds not quite the same) and deal with that?

What if this person wants to make a certain kind of sound or no sound at all?