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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 1:03 pm
by Nico_Noyau
Jarp2600 wrote:
noyau wrote:
Jarp2600 wrote:Mine is about 50. But many people say I'm too skinny.
I'm 56 and happy to be and I'm in the same case as you :mrgreen:
But 56 kilos for 1,93m in not enough :lol:
Hahaha, you 56?! :lol:
Hm, I forgot to write "kilos" :mrgreen:

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 1:28 pm
by Velodynamic
Don't you guys have any muscles at all?? :o :lol:

I'm about 70k/1,75m. :oops:

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 1:28 pm
by AMR
Leelene wrote:@bangers n mash: Well, I am not just 19 years old. I am 24 years old. And I am thinking of maybe setting up a plan that has got more exersize then just quiting all the food that is on your list. Surely I am going to eat less, but I am going to get ridd of a minior things that really really adds on my wait. Like chocolate, sodas and dayly candy. I am going to eat according to the plate-modell mostly and add some extra fruit in the diet. This will make it more easy for me, because I think that getting ridd of everything is impossible. And then I just have to change the white stuff I eat (like pasta and such) into full-grain in the long run.

Love Leelene
Hi Leenee,

If you do some very very but slow exercize your metabolism will keep burning fat for hours and, a plus, your body will reshape muscles to look nice.

It does not take as much effort as most people think.
I repeat, it does not take effort at all.

For examply, doing an arm curl with a 5-to-10 kilos handbell weight, but do it v.e.r.y. s.l.o.w.l.y. like.. er... 3-to7 times so your muscle really hurts from the effort, then stretch it for confot... then later in the month or so, do it, but grab the "side" of that handbell so that you stress the wrist and forearms... "slowwwwly"... be creative, do it with arms at 45 degrees from torso... all to increase "effort stress" WITHOUT hurting yourself, more ahead.

Do all exercices like this... slowly, very few repetitions - or one - without getting tired, but doing a lot of effort (like squatiing and getting back on your feet really very v.e.r.y. s.l.o.w.l.y. like taking 20 or 30 seconds and felling the pain in the legs - ATTENTION: mind the knees and back, as all the rest of the muscles - "listen" to the stress they may feel while you do this and make sure they ARE confortable (adjust the position, and you may hold on with your hands to something to help out - DO NOT FORCE UNCONFORT or you'll break something, push with strenght and might, but keep your body alright - aligned - keep "stress" only in the muscle your pushing, NOT the joints or elsewhere.

The important thing is doing a hell of a whole lot of "STRENGHT" (within limits, don't explode, do NOT turn all "red face" with effort, don't grin - if any, you're overdoing).

So doing "strenght" over the everyday normal one, keeping the muscle in the move but almost as if at the same position for some time (isometrics).... moving it very slowly, so that it does not gets you tired (heavy/fast breathing), breath normally by instinct, don't hold the breath.

Do not over-do, as I said, it takes a hell of a whole lot less than most people may think. Your body will however stop at proper weight - so it will not work to get you "skinny", it will get you "proper".

Kind like, once every other day for about 1 minute and that's about it.
That's right, one minute every day or every other day - that's it.
One minute, confortable effort, aching muscle (not hurting).

Mind that if you are "lifting" really heavy weight (it's the effort, the strength that matters, not the weight), it's wise to warm up a bit, like 10 secs or so, doing the move fast and without weights.

If you do make "effort" enough, you'll feel a sort of "ache" in the muscle imediatly afterwards, that's not "pain" it's "ache" - strecth it until if feels confortable, it may feel "swallowed" if you really pushed it, stretch and go about your business...

...and then your body, to augment that particular muscle, will keep burning calories from your fat, wherever it may be, for as much time as it takes to ensure next time you do such an effort the muscle is "big enough" to endure it - location of burned fat is not the same of where that of which muscle you exercise - so make sure you do with with all, the bigger the muscle, the more calories you burn, squatting one of the most muscle demanding.

The trick is that you keep spacing efforts that your body thinks "well, it's no longer needed", and relaxes, then you do it again, and it "pumps up metabolism", so you don't risk becoming Arnie Schwazzie, you just trick the body and keep metabolism running fast - which can produce many free radicals, so at least, try to "eat" antioxidants not to get older faster due to the free radicals (Vitamin C and E, preferebly C, are great antioxidants).

Mind you that the muscles WILL grow and tonify, so try to find a way to repeat "effort" one day with this, another with that so you cover the whole body or the parts you'd like to see more tonified.

Arms bicecps, worked like this, one minute, slow 3 reps, effort, will take JUST around 4 days to "grow" visually noticeable, but triceps look way more cool... ergo, balance is important - so one day biceps, another triceps, or both in same day, 2 or 3 times, 30 seconds for each group, super (but not overdoing) effort but no tireness... and you're burning weight all day long...

Mind you that there IS a limit on how much calories you can burn, and how fast, so if you intake more than you burn it gets converted to fat...

The thing is that there's no limit on "for how long" you can burn" calories... if you eat 3 times, but burn all day long balance may fall into what you prefer...

Ergo why this works BETTER than aerobics that make you sweat with "LITTLE EFFORT" and a "LOT OF REPETITIONS" - this is great for cardiovascular system and burning calories "while" doing it, but afterwards, it will not keep burning energy because it does not need it, however, to grow a muscle, it does!

This is also why body builders need special care with energy intakes, but mind you, you're NOT doing body building, youre doing "much effort" in "short period" not to get tired, but "aching", not "hurting".

It's not "no pain, no gain", it's more like "ache and loose weight".

Do *not* overdo, or you'll get micro-lesions instead of a metabolic turbo.
And stretch just for confort afterwards.

Doing arm pushes with one arm against the ground (3) very very slowly, or squating with one leg, thus all already in a advanced mode (knwoing well your body so you don't have a single muscle out of place, if not, expect a lesion) is an example of very "stressing strenght producing" exercises that will get you burning fat for more hours...

Another little help, eating a lot of times per day, and small amounts of food, can actually make you burn more than you eat... using my method again, I mean eating a really really litle amount of food (like ONE peanut, a letace leaf, a beer) like... quite often (seperate by like 20-60 mins).

Why? Digestion takes a lot of energy... so to process what you ate (little) the body spends a lot (digestion), hence, balance tends towards you again - take care for you need more precise balance here for it's more complex - you HAVE to eat WELL and this is a very complex non-easy nor light question - but you get the picture, I hope - read about it. MAKE SURE YOU EAT PROPER.

Thus just to say that if you "STARVE" like some people almost do, the effect is the oposite, your body will react by STORING more to adapt to your new style, hence more fat and less muscle. If you DON'T eat, you WILL loose muscle and fat, but once you eat again, your "in panic" body/brain will imediatlly try to store ALL in fat, as fast as it can, so you end up with less muscle and even more fat, and in an even more complicated situation than the one that made you starve in the first place.

Focus on growing muscles, slowly, and the rest happens naturally.
Cardiovascular exercises are good ot help metabolism effort from your "effort" work better and smoother, for increasing metabolic rate drains effort from cardiovascular system - sex is the best cardiovascular exercize on Earth.

Long text...
By the way, even just being a minute, it has to be a "sore" one, and repeated the within next days, or it won't work - even being just a minute of (confortable but slight more than normal) effort it's one minute you can also give up for favouring lazyness...

That's the big sin - lazyness, beat that, and you're 99.8 % done.
I'm one of those who believe you can eat anything... so I really don't mind food that much, as long as you keep vitals getting in (important nutrients and lots of liquids), your "mind" is alright (mind being the most important thing here), the body will naturally get (as much as possible) toxics out...

So, you can forget all I said.
Because if your "mind" is not alright - it will start to be once you see results - the rest will never be.

Nobody's "mind" is alright ALL the time, we all have emotions, that can screw up the balance of 10 years in 5 minutes and reflect in the body for months, but there's no harm in trying to be "mind set healthy" for as long as you can as much possible as it may be - and still allow dealing with emotions so you don't become a machine, but know they catalize, they magnify, and no one is imune.

So you can see a martial artist master getting beated up, a lean women getting very fat, an awsome driver getting the car of the road and so on, nobody is perfect... er... yet. 8)

So remember "do not do what I do, do what I say" in case your nutricionist is fat, that means not he knows not what he is saying, and so on. :-D ;-) 8)

Mind also that the mind self-accepting "confort point" is diferent.. in Germany women even dig the middle-aged men beer bellys... so being thin there may not be important "to the mind" and they feel well. Keyword here being "feeling".

But having the proper "mind set", makes it work much faster, sometimes, with no effort at all... Gain what you want, and you'll loose what you don't need, don't focus on loosing to gain, just on gaining (the goal).

Focus on "being", not on "doing" - this trains proper mind set - "Being" oposed to "acting", "feeling" oposed to "imagining", "existing" oposed to "thinking".

You're not fat because you weight too much, you weight too much because you're fat.

You're not thin because you weight little, you weight little because you are thin.

Notice the main concept above: "you are".
So, main mind exercize: "BE" (what you want).

You see: I'm not wealthy because I'm rich, I'm rich because I'm wealthy. :wink: 8)

Kind Regards,
AMR
http://www.alvaromrocha.com

PS - Your body is 70-80% water, so most "fast weight loss" products make you dehidratate (loose water) to pretend you loose weight - that will hurt electrolitic balance and lead to cramps, dehidration, and may have very serious consequences - keep body well hidrated!

Fat burners increase metabolic speed, but if there's nothing to metabolize for, you may end up with heat rashes and energy burned in cold sweats... way too many stopps at the "loo" and weird symptoms, which will lead you to "eat", hence you get caught in a loop. fat burners should be used only to "lean" if you have around 10-30% fat mass, AND if you do professional exercize.

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 1:52 pm
by Velodynamic
Don't forget to sleep well...8 hours a night.
Leptin, a chemical released during sleep, controls body fat by letting us know we're full.
Lack of sleep affects the hormones which help burn off calories during the day.
Not very hard exersize at all...if you find it easy to sleep long.

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:06 pm
by BnM
Leelene wrote:@bangers n mash: Well, I am not just 19 years old. I am 24 years old.
Ooops ... don't know how I got that one :D
Leelene wrote: And I am thinking of maybe setting up a plan that has got more exersize then just quiting all the food that is on your list. Surely I am going to eat less, but I am going to get ridd of a minior things that really really adds on my wait. Like chocolate, sodas and dayly candy. I am going to eat according to the plate-modell mostly and add some extra fruit in the diet. This will make it more easy for me, because I think that getting ridd of everything is impossible. And then I just have to change the white stuff I eat (like pasta and such) into full-grain in the long run.


Yeah thats it ... what ever makes you the most comfotable is the way to go.

@ Velodynamic ... Yes sleeeeeeep !!




Thing about prolonged weight gain, the body and brain need to be somewhat "jumpstarted"
... thus one reason for the first couple of months of strict control.
Then once our system has "jumpstarted" previous foods can be gently reintroduced.

(Though the affects of Aspartame & Glutamate, prevalent in a lot of foods, are pretty horrendous).


The stomach also builds up Candida over the years, which is bad for weight loss.
A ProBiotic helps get rid of it : most health food store have natural ProBiotic tablets.


With excercise, best are those motions that are natural for the body.
As you said ... walking.
Also working in farms or nature conservation or gardening volunteer.

The thing with doing weights (barbell, handbell etc), even light weights,
and some associated exercises is that
the range of motion can be somewhat unnatural for the body.


Japanese Martial Arts "Katas" or Chinese T'ai Chi can look like gentle dances
and graceful movements.
And are Fantastic because they are usually natural body movements,
thus good for natural toning and flexibility.


Anyway. ALL THE BEST in your endevours.
You've got the brain, the heart in the right place ...!
The body is much easier to fix than the heart. :P
And the accumultaive effect of whatever you do will make things even nicer.

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:35 pm
by Jarp2600
Geez, Alvaro... Write a book about body-exercises! You'll become rich sleeping!

@Nico, Haha, indeed :lol:

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:16 pm
by Jakob BC
AMR, how many kilos did you loose for writing all that?

Btw. Leelene, I don't know your food lifestyle. My mother didn't eat anything sweet like cake, candy etc. It sounded to be hard doing it this way, but if you reach a point where you just have to eat something sweet like candy, Läkerol and those pastilles almost doesn't count on the 'forbidden list'.

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:17 pm
by Equinoxe
Synthesist wrote:AMR, how many kilos did you loose for writing all that?

Btw. Leelene, I don't know your food lifestyle. My mother didn't eat anything sweet like cake, candy etc. It sounded to be hard doing it this way, but if you reach a point where you just have to eat something sweet like candy, Läkerol and those pastilles almost doesn't count on the 'forbidden list'.

Well i dont eat anything sweet that contains refined sugars,Except for natural sugars in fruit and Milk,once your body is used to no longer having it,you dont miss it,I havent had a chocolate bar for well over 15 years but i dont miss it or ever crave it!!!May sound strange,but for the standard calorific value of a Medium chocolate bar you can have a balanced hi fibre snack that will keep you fueled for 4 or so hours,and help you state of mind concentrate far better than a Quick fix sugar rush...

i always calorie count what i have meal wise,which is usually 7 smaller Meals throughtout the day instead of 3 main meals that most people tend to stick with,if you keep you body topped up with hi fibre and Low carb/High protein small portion meals then you will never crave anything in between,Most people i know tend to miss breakfast then grab a quick fix mid morning,then starve themselves until they get home for tea and then have a huge evening meal,and never do any exercise and then wonder why there overweight.....

I never exceed 2000 cal a day,but i exercise a lot Including running 4 times a weeks up to 4 miles a time and cycle around 10 mile or so a week,also go swimming once or twice a week and 3x1.5 Hour Thai Boxing sessions and also attend a yoga class once a week,I do a session at the gym if I'm bothered but no that often anymore,I do resistance training at home on my weights so dont need to bother with the gym really,a good tip is to keep your body hydrated with plenty of water as most of the time when your thirsty your brain perceives it as a hunger Message so you tend to eat ,when your not actually Hungry but dehydrated,this wont help Weight control neither..and i will never eat anything after 6pm,as this doesnt help with sleep neither if your body is still digesting food well into your sleep patterns


We as Humans are equipped to survive in famine situations(Our bodies can store food as fat for long periods only to release them when needed)the trouble is that people in western society are glutenous and think more about there Stomach than survival and so of course there calorific intake is normally twice that that they actually need to function,and of course the body stores this as excess fat which in theory is fine ,except on a daily basis you do this your not actually using that excess up


All these articles about it being genetic is total fabrication,a large percentage of my Family are fairly overweight,yet i stay trim,and thats because i care what i put into my mouth and exercise to stave it off,My family has a history of heart disease,but at the same time i now that i can break that cycle by taking care of my health,not only is it detrimental to long life,but also to a good quality of life,Its too easy to sit infront of the TV stuffing your face,than it is to get off your arse and do something about it,but again thats the sort of attitude that will put you into your grave quicker....


I Don't mean to sound Harsh Leelene,but you have no-one but yourself to blame for excess weight/Low moods etc,its good that you have recognised that and I'm sure you have the right approach to correcting it ,but its best to do it in moderation,as with most diets,you don't need to crash diet to make yourself better,its the small changes that lead to a big difference......if you eat the correct foods then there should be no such phrase as "Dieting"

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:11 pm
by Jakob BC
I think I know what you mean about sugar addiction. A year ago I had some psychic problems, I was affraid of dying because some pains in heart and muscles. I didn't eat sweets for a long time because I was affraid of coronary due to too much sugar and unhealthy lifestyle
To keep ontopic, some people especially people suffering from overweight already have problems keeping away from sweets. I don't know the case about leelene, because her wait doesn't sound the worst and alot of people weight too much due to other reasons like something just common in the family.

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:26 pm
by AMR
Hmm,

As I said before, the weight is not the problem, but a symptom, a manifestation of the real problem.

To put it better and in context with the forum:

Jean Michel Jarre is not a great musician because he makes great music, he makes great music because he is a great musician.

And now for the replies:

The amplitude of movement has nothing to do with my method, you can even only move 4 centimeters, as long as you do effortless EFFORT.

Tai Chi, as most DON'T know, is a dinamic HEAVY fighting art, just talk to me and I will be happy to explain in the main "kata", the one everyone does in the morning in China, the not circultar "movements" of contraction/release/relaxement simulated by the slow dance, which serves the purpose to teach the body to "fit all muscles in the right place" to function as a spring, transforming full potential to full cinetic energy.

Make no mistakes, Tai Chi is a powerfull fighting art, and only those who know what is being "trained" with the "slow dance" kata, will do it right... trust me, in a true "Tai Chi" exame, you'll be asked to perform the several "parts" of that kata in two movements "defense/offense".

Yes, I could probably grow richer in my sleep writing something about this, but I probably won't due to variety of readers w/wrong mind state whereas it would not work.

No, I lost no weight writing what I did - but you will if you read it all, the brain is the most calorie burning "muscle" in the body.

I don't mind food supply, I find the most toxic intake to be hidrogenated lipids and refined sugars, because they mess with chemical reactions in the liver and generate a lot of fat, also, they require to much important ingredients to be chemicaly treated and leave you even more "lacking" in the nutrients department.

And now to underline my point, again:

Jean Michel Jarre is not a great musician because he makes great music, he makes great music because he is a great musician.

The problem with fat, specially if it is building around the waste and arse (pear shaped women) is purelly emotional - hence, the importance of "be", the importante of "mind set", the why JMJ makes great music.

Kind Regards,
AMR
http://www.alvaromrocha.com

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:29 pm
by Mogan
I'm 13 years and about 50kg and 1,70 cm.

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:40 pm
by Kanta
Equin(00)xe wrote:I havent had a chocolate bar for well over 15 years
The longest I have been without chocolate is about 1 year. That is only because I made myself sick of over indulgence. But now I eat chocolate once or twice a week. Normally this is after dinner for a dessert. :D

The more you think about what you can’t eat the more you want it. You need to have commitment in any changes that you make in your eating habits. I try not to eat sugary snacks in between meals as this spoils my appetite. If you want to snack during the day a piece of fruit should do the trick. Exercise is very good as this burns off any extra calories you have stored e.g. walking or swimming. Counting the calories for women, this averages around 2,000 and men around 2,500. There are so many diets available at the moment e.g. The Atkins Diet, Low Carb Diet, Cabbage Soup Diet etc. These diets could cause you more harm then good. As the saying goes you are what you eat and that is something to be thinking about now and the future.

Good luck losing the weight Leelene. I always gain a few pounds over Christmas, that is the worst time of year for me. So much Christmas food goodies around in the shops but I just talk myself out of it. “Do you really want to eat that?” or “Is it going to taste that good and be worth it if you can’t fit into your bikini or your tightest pair of jeans?” :oops:

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:43 pm
by AMR
jarre247 wrote:
Equin(00)xe wrote:I havent had a chocolate bar for well over 15 years
The longest I have been without chocolate is about 1 year. That is only because I made myself sick of over indulgence. But now I eat chocolate once or twice a week. Normally this is after dinner for a dessert. :D

The more you think about what you can’t eat the more you want it. You need to have commitment in any changes that you make in your eating habits. I try not to eat sugary snacks in between meals as this spoils my appetite. If you want to snack during the day a piece of fruit should do the trick. Exercise is very good as this burns off any extra calories you have stored e.g. walking or swimming. Counting the calories for women, this averages around 2,000 and men around 2,500. There are so many diets available at the moment e.g. The Atkins Diet, Low Carb Diet, Cabbage Soup Diet etc. These diets could cause you more harm then good. As the saying goes you are what you eat and that is something to be thinking about now and the future.

Good luck losing the weight Leelene. I always gain a few pounds over Christmas, that is the worst time of year for me. So much Christmas food goodies around in the shops but I just talk myself out of it. “Do you really want to eat that?” or “Is it going to taste that good and be worth it if you can’t fit into your bikini or your tightest pair of jeans?” :oops:
There's nothing wrong with Chocolates, there may be something wrong with some who eat'em, and some who don't... and some in between...

Kind Regards,
AMR
http://www.alvaromrocha.com

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:01 pm
by Kanta
AMR wrote:]There's nothing wrong with Chocolates.
I agree unless you have too much in one session. Studies have shown that dark chocolate is good for lowering blood pressure. :wink:

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:21 pm
by BnM
Dr Ali

A rather well known Dr in the UK.
His aproach is wholistic and natural.