BlahBlahCafe - Jean-Michel Jarre forum

Sometimes I think Mike is unfair or maybe plain stubborn.
He should've taken a better look at his own music.

shadow wrote:
In all fairness, I know many that hate a lot of Jarre's work wit h a passion. All the swoops and diddles and plings just irritates the hell out of them. I can understand where they're coming from, there are a few tracks that really have a few effects too many.

It is noticeable those that get irritated easily are themselves irritating.

When encountering such persons remember to hold up a mirror to them immediately,
they can't take a taste of their own medicine.

Goudeskitchen wrote:
I think I remember reading in one of the Mike Oldfield biographies ('A Man And His Music' from memory) that Mike didn't like Jarre's work. I think the quote went along the lines of 'I'm surprised 'Tubular Bells' didn't inspire more people to write music like it. Sure, you had Jean-Michel Jarre's Oxygene and [I can't remember the other album] but I thought they were both crap!'

I'm not sure if he has warmed to the maestro over time though seeing as a lot of his later stuff is very Jarre-related!

For some reason Mike has become a somewhat bitter person maybe I'm mistaken I hope so.
Mike has alienated himself from several people and is shunned by several.

It's a bit sad.

We don't know what trauma Mike had as a kid ....
From readig his biography Mikee was definitely withdrawn suffering inside himself as a kid.
This can become resentment, me against the world, bitterness when older.

Mike is a legend I so hope he is healing inside himself.

dlaivison wrote:Vangelis .... recently he has said:

"There are not any paths and corners hidden in music. Although you may think that I am entering into another field, music is one, with endless fields full of different mathematical equations, therefore sounds and expressions..."

So I believe that there would not be some restriction to collaborate with Jarre now.
But is up to Vangelis.

Yes. Just this.

This is what I was alluding to.

plate of chips wrote:
This surprises me.
Must been decades ago.
Because they would go against the present time "music mystic" sayings of Vangelis.
Vangelis these days being more " mystically advanced " would express more openness,
Particularly the subtle mystic elements in Oxygene Equinoxe Vangelis missed decades before.

plate of chips wrote:

Goudeskitchen wrote:
I think I remember reading in one of the Mike Oldfield biographies ('A Man And His Music' from memory) that Mike didn't like Jarre's work. I think the quote went along the lines of 'I'm surprised 'Tubular Bells' didn't inspire more people to write music like it. Sure, you had Jean-Michel Jarre's Oxygene and [I can't remember the other album] but I thought they were both crap!'

I'm not sure if he has warmed to the maestro over time though seeing as a lot of his later stuff is very Jarre-related!

For some reason Mike has become a somewhat bitter person maybe I'm mistaken I hope so.
Mike has alienated himself from several people and is shunned by several.

It's a bit sad.

We don't know what trauma Mike had as a kid ....
From readig his biography Mikee was definitely withdrawn suffering inside himself as a kid.
This can become resentment, me against the world, bitterness when older.

Mike is a legend I so hope he is healing inside himself.

He did lose his son last May
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ge-33.html

Watch the BBC documentary about him and you'll know why he's the way he is. Basically he was an emotional wreck as a child/young adult and that stayed for a long time. Add to that one really bad trip and you have a receipt for disaster. Honestly I felt terrible watching. As someone who has his own fair share of problems it really feels very similar and kinda rough to sit through.

Adam wrote:

plate of chips wrote:

Goudeskitchen wrote:
I think I remember reading in one of the Mike Oldfield biographies ('A Man And His Music' from memory) that Mike didn't like Jarre's work. I think the quote went along the lines of 'I'm surprised 'Tubular Bells' didn't inspire more people to write music like it. Sure, you had Jean-Michel Jarre's Oxygene and [I can't remember the other album] but I thought they were both crap!'

I'm not sure if he has warmed to the maestro over time though seeing as a lot of his later stuff is very Jarre-related!

For some reason Mike has become a somewhat bitter person maybe I'm mistaken I hope so.
Mike has alienated himself from several people and is shunned by several.

It's a bit sad.

We don't know what trauma Mike had as a kid ....
From readig his biography Mikee was definitely withdrawn suffering inside himself as a kid.
This can become resentment, me against the world, bitterness when older.

Mike is a legend I so hope he is healing inside himself.

He did lose his son last May
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ge-33.html

Hurt.

Same for everyone on Earth.

I'm not sure loss should make a person bitter, instead more introspective, more considerate.

shadow wrote:Watch the BBC documentary about him and you'll know why he's the way he is. Basically he was an emotional wreck as a child/young adult and that stayed for a long time. Add to that one really bad trip and you have a receipt for disaster. Honestly I felt terrible watching. As someone who has his own fair share of problems it really feels very similar and kinda rough to sit through.

This is why I wrote

plate of chips wrote:
We don't know what trauma Mike had as a kid ....
From readig his biography Mikee was definitely withdrawn suffering inside himself as a kid.
This can become resentment, me against the world, bitterness when older.

Mike is a legend I so hope he is healing inside himself.

People can turn out different ways from childhood trauma.
Many try to help other kids.
Many channel it into creativity
Many are broken for life
Bitterness, resentment is just one outcome.

At the same time i dont think feeling sorry for is what is wanted.
Instead things which raise spirits, repair heart.

Back on topic

Songs of Distant Earth by Mike is magical
JmJ & Mike would been magical.

plate of chips wrote:Back on topic

Songs of Distant Earth by Mike is magical
JmJ & Mike would been magical.

Honest this is his album. I love Ommadawn, I love Amarak and I love Discovery. But TSODE is godlike!

plate of chips wrote:

dlaivison wrote:Vangelis .... recently he has said:

"There are not any paths and corners hidden in music. Although you may think that I am entering into another field, music is one, with endless fields full of different mathematical equations, therefore sounds and expressions..."

So I believe that there would not be some restriction to collaborate with Jarre now.
But is up to Vangelis.

Yes. Just this.

This is what I was alluding to.

plate of chips wrote:
This surprises me.
Must been decades ago.
Because they would go against the present time "music mystic" sayings of Vangelis.
Vangelis these days being more " mystically advanced " would express more openness,
Particularly the subtle mystic elements in Oxygene Equinoxe Vangelis missed decades before.

Yes. And if you think about that both geniuses worked with common people this should be the main approach.

3 years ago I've spoken with Dennis (from elsewhere) and he told me that the difficult thing about both composers to meet would be because of the way of work.
Vangelis records everything in basically 1 take. For him, this is the pure interpretation and art.
Jarre is perfectionist ... probably he would record and re-record until reach the perfection.

But I still believe in both working together ... let's see

Bonus track on american CD edition ?

Also for those who purchase the U.S. edition of the album is a bonus track, an exclusive remix by Armin Van Buuren of "Stardust," his collaboration with JARRE from Electronica Vol. 1.

source:http://www.gratefulweb.com/articles/jean-michel-jarre-set-release-electronica-vol-2-heart-noise

dlaivison wrote:
Yes. And if you think about that both geniuses worked with common people this should be the main approach.

3 years ago I've spoken with Dennis (from elsewhere) and he told me that the difficult thing about both composers to meet would be because of the way of work.
Vangelis records everything in basically 1 take. For him, this is the pure interpretation and art.
Jarre is perfectionist ... probably he would record and re-record until reach the perfection.

But I still believe in both working together ... let's see

I think Vangelis would collaborate with JmJ only if it was for a higher purpose
say for uniting cultures after what happened in Paris.

In this instance JmJ & Vangelis would become close.
JmJ & Evangelos would realise they share much common ground on humanity, ecology, culture, arts.

JmJ would visit Vangelis share demos, Vangelis would improvise in one take, JmJ would complete the pieces.

Do note that Mike Oldfield did express liking "JMJ-style" gigs during the Tubular Bells II era.
http://www.mikeoldfield.org/index.php/i ... -bells-ii/

But it's highly possible that Jarre is aware of what Mike and Vangelis have said about his music in the past and thus didn't want to bother.

Finaero wrote:Do note that Mike Oldfield did express liking "JMJ-style" gigs during the Tubular Bells II era.
http://www.mikeoldfield.org/index.php/i ... -bells-ii/

But it's highly possible that Jarre is aware of what Mike and Vangelis have said about his music in the past and thus didn't want to bother.

JmJ forgave The Orb after they insulted Charlotte Rampling then renaming their remix Toxygene.

JmJ is cool .... Uber this way.

Thus whatever was said by whomever on the past,
JmJ takes it in his stride, keeps on moving, open minded.